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i used to dream in the dark of palisades park

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dani

the malevolent / kat

she/her

twenty three

october 7

sootopolis city

heterosexual

full-time bitch

council member

i can't control myself,

i'm addicted to the hell

968 height

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Katherine Fairburne

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 9, 2021 19:32:49 GMT

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Familiar.

That’s all Katherine thinks to herself when she hears Cillian Quinn speak. Thomas' voice, although familiar, is not recognized. With her brow still quirked, she dismisses the thought away with a quick shake of her head.

“Erm,” was her way of saying hello. “I am Katherine.”

Boo, the Gengar she arrived with, remained hidden and obscured by the elite four’s own shadow. From time to time, if someone was particularly observant, they’d notice a pair of red eyes glaring at them from underneath the woman’s shadow.

notes: kill number is 18. dramatic / pokemon.

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PookaPrince

Locke

He/They

September 20th

Vermillion City, Kanto

Homosexual

Postman

Civillian

Single

295 height

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Locke Jamison

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 10, 2021 17:09:32 GMT

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128 for among us

Eris Halla was really the only familiar face among the crowd, outside of Champion kyle lopez and someone he vaguely recognized from newspapers as FERNANDO SILPH .

Locke eagerly returned the young girl’s wave, moving a bit closer to the group that had already formed around her. While he was careful not to intrude on their conversation, he didn’t miss the heavy Kantonian accent from the dark-haired boy around his age, making his chest bloom with a rush of warm nostalgia.

They flushed a bit as the room eventually focused on them, dipping their head respectfully as they introduced themselves. “Ah, hello. I’m Locke, and my friend here is Free-Free.” The Butterfree beside them gave a curious trill at being addressed, having spent the last few minutes peering distractedly around the room.

Portrayal: Humorous
Target: Character
Kill Number: 10

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Magnere

The Saint of Slateport

She/Her

November 23

Outside Ballonlea

Bisexual

Trainer

Sergeant

Single

320 height

Be silent or let thy words be worth more than silence.

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Ruby Walker

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 10, 2021 23:04:50 GMT

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[attr="class","rolling-thread"][attr="class,"faction"]Ruby had to admit, this kind of game was actually quite interesting, if scary at the same time. The idea of just, hanging around and trying to find the murderer in a room of unfamiliar people at first had her a bit on edge. However, with the sight of people she absolutely recognized, including Hideo Kino, Eris Halla, and even John Sullivan, she couldn't help but let out a soft breath and relax. Sure, they might be the secret killer, but at least it wouldn't be as awkward anymore with people she considered friends around.[break][break]

"Hey Eris," She'd eagerly give the young girl a hug back, as gentle as ever. "I haven't, actually. But it does sound fun. How you been holding up, dear?" Even as she spoke, she'd quickly give Doug the fistbump back he offered.[break][break]

Sure enough, Ruby's attention would be stolen by the champion himself here playing, kyle lopez. She supposed even people in the highest branches of the League had time to kill having fun too, but it was honestly a bit surprising how often she brushed shoulders with them. [break][break]

"Ruby. A pleasure to see you all again. And uh, to meet all of you who I haven't yet." Sure enough, her Oranguru stood posed at her side, his fan slowly brushing in front of his face as he watched and waited, ever so cautious of his surroundings in this silly game.

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notes Kill Number: 1. Portrayal: Dramatic. Target: Both

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Gray

he/she (genderfluid)

November 17

Driftveil City

questioning

trainer

civilian

45 height

i used to dream in the dark of palisades park.

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Cardamom Bliss

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 11, 2021 12:51:51 GMT

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Cardamom instinctively found himself gravitating towards the people he was somewhat more familiar with, grinning at both Ruby Walker and John Sullivan as he moved towards their group. "Hey guys!" he called cheerfully. "Sticking together sounds like a good idea, I think-there's only one killer, so they can't get us if we're in a bigger group, right?"[break][break]
He blinked a little when Hideo Kino brought up Secret Zoroark. "Oh yeah, I've played it with my family a few times. Man, my mom's actually kind of an expert at it, you know? She's really good at acting innocent!" He chuckled a little. "Though I don't think I've really inherited her trickery skills."[break][break]
Even as he bantered with the other kids, his glance also drifted towards FERNANDO SILPH. Right...that asshole. When he commented about having a meeting to attend soon, the boy privately and quickly stuck out his tongue at the CEO's back. Hopefully the killer wouldn't be nice enough to accommodate that request.

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[attr="class","woo5"]pronouns; he/him

[attr="class","woo5"]tags;@tag

[attr="class","woo5"]notes number: 17 | dramatic | both

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Lime

Vio

Female

September 7

MAUVILLE CITY, HOENN

Spectra Trainee

Associate

Elaine

Dating

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Violet Fairbanks

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 11, 2021 16:23:14 GMT

Cillian Quinn likes this

“Well, technically, all but one of us are doing this together, but the killer does their own thing,” she replied to what she overheard of John Sullivan . That was the weird kid from the tournament, wasn’t it? The one just randomly handing her a badge? Yeah, that was him.
He would probably die first. Well, she hoped so, that would be ironic, after all. But, for now, she just decided to move on, lightly gravitating towards Cillian Quinn , or, well, whatever he was currently calling himself. She definitely had no right at all to complain about people living under assumed names. That was pretty much her whole shtick.

Other than that though, she simply observed everyone, trying to figure out whether there were any suspicious movements going on. The killer was probably not tipping them off so easily, but a girl could hope, right?

Number: 4
Player + Dramatic

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murk

Not-Chryssa

She/Her

May 1

Eterna City, Sinnoh

Panromantic

radio host

agent

PERISH 111.1

safe. subliminal. sootopolis radio

266 height

as flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; they kill us for their sport

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chryssa glasgow

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 12, 2021 4:39:54 GMT

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WARNING: DANGER

THE KILLER HAS STRUCK.

Violet light blossoms from psychic-type Pokemon, illuminating the path ahead as you and the other players begin to explore your new environment. Everyone is quick to discover a long hallway filled with different doors-- if they are tested, you'll find that most are locked, sealed by dim and defunct keycard readers.

But not all of them.

Crreeeeeak. A door at the end of the hall drifts open as Cardamom Bliss passes by, tempting him with the unexplored. A cool breeze from the other side stirs his clothes, whispering promises of sweet, fresh air. For a moment the boy can glimpse a well-furnished hotel room within.

The hair on Absol's spine suddenly stands on end and the Disaster Pokemon has time to let out a warning cry before something lashes from behind the door, ensnaring both trainer and Pokemon and whipping them into the room beyond.

The door slams shut.

As you stand agape, a clatter from further down the hall startles you. An unused Pokeball rolls past and you turn in time to see alexander silph suffer a similar fate as he is yoinked down the hallway as if pulled on the end of a rope. You hear a terrible crash, and then a series of unusual thudding noises.

CARDAMOM BLISS and ALEXANDER SILPH have been KILLED.

"Two Contestants have been eliminated!" The clear woman's voice emanates from the speakers again, sounding perfectly calm and self-assured. The announcement does little to soothe everyone's frayed nerves. "What's the saying again-- only the good die young?"

STAGE ONE

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Investigating the scene of Cardamom's death yields nothing, save for a dark stain on the carpet and places where the thick layer of dust has clearly been disturbed. You can assume the boy has been moved to a waiting room somewhere to relax while watching the rest of the dramatic Mastermind! Death Game! Contest.

The room is luxurious, but the windows have been sealed off completely from the inside. It's a shame-- something tells you it would have been a remarkable view.

Alexander's trail, however, seems more complicated. The hallway terminates in a double-door elevator. Its lights and panels are dark, like everything else in this arena, but the doors are open as if beckoning the contestants inside.

The trail of the third Silph leads to the left, leading to an unlit stairwell. If you shine a light down into the blackness, you'll see something dark and glistening layered thickly on the steps. Someone-- or something-- doesn't want you to go this way. Of course, that's up to you.

> CHOOSE BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING TASKS

GOING DOWN BASE POWER	FALLING DOWN NO BASE POWER
The elevator seems inoperable, but there's a crack in the floor. How did that happen? If you work together, you might be able to break through and open up the elevator shaft. Then it's just a straight shot to the first floor! REQUIRES Any move with a Base Power Cumulative 300 in rolls	The stairway is unobstructed, but the steps themselves seem to have been greased by an unknown substance. Blood?! A lighter touch is required for this task if you wish to navigate down the many flights of stairs. REQUIRES Any move with no Base Power Cumulative 300 in rolls

If the players fail to complete at least one of the group tasks by the end of the round, the KILL NUMBER pool will be HALVED starting next round as the killer closes in and gains more opportunity. For example, if the pool was 1-20, it will be reduced to 1-10.

The Killer may or may not choose to contribute to the Group Tasks.

INSTRUCTIONS

For Stage One, choose one of the two GROUP TASKS and use an applicable Pokemon move. Please roll with your post. It may be a good idea to keep track of the current group total as you go!

Remember that the CONTEST TYPE of the move you use in the task will award you points. *See Bulbapedia for a full list!

Beauty/Cool Move: 0 Points
Unmarked Move: 1 Point
Cute/Tough Move: 2 Points
Clever Move: 3 Points
Killing a Target: 5 Points
Killing the Killer: 10 Points

Please choose a KILL NUMBER between 1-18. Numbers can repeat. If the killer's secret number matches yours, you may be eliminated.

If a player fails to post a Kill Number, they may automatically be targeted.

The game will update either when all players have posted or in 5 days (8/16).

TLDR

Choose a Group Task to help with
Use an applicable Pokemon Move for that task
Roll a d100 towards the group total
Choose a Kill Number between 1-18

THE PLAYERS

Cillian Quinn 1 point	Bill Anderson 1 point	Cardamom Bliss 1 point	Serena Malcolm 1 point	John Sullivan 1 point
Katherine Fairburne 1 point	Ruby Walker 1 point	Hideo Kino 1 point	Kazimir Wynter 1 point	alexander silph 0 points
Locke Jamison 1 point	Alexandra Briarwood 1 point	Violet Fairbanks 1 point	Melody Miro 1 point	luka chêne 1 point
DEREK HOFFMAN 1 points	Eris Halla 1 point	MATIAS SILPH 1 point	kyle lopez 1 point	FERNANDO SILPH 1 point

GAME LOG

> THE PLAYERS entered THE ARENA
> CARDAMOM BLISS WAS KILLED BY <KILLER>
> ALEXANDER SILPH WAS KILLED BY <KILLER>
> THE PLAYERS began STAGE ONE

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Locke

He/They

September 20th

Vermillion City, Kanto

Homosexual

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Civillian

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Locke Jamison

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POSTED ON Aug 12, 2021 21:22:04 GMT

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226 for among us

Locke leapt near-out of their skin as the game claimed its first victims. “Uh, they’re fine right? Right?” Maybe they should’ve taken their low tolerance for horror into account before signing up for this.

They let the others take the lead while their heart slowed down to a reasonable pace, until at last the group reached their next destination. Locke frowned at the elevator floor. Free-Free didn’t have any moves powerful enough to help break through, so instead they turned their attention to the stairs.

After letting the gears turn in his head for a moment, he lit up with an ”Oh!”, turning to his butterfly companion and pointing down the middle of the stairwell. “Set up a String Shot up here to down there!” Free-Free enthusiastically obeyed, firing a line of web where his trainer had indicated, and releasing the other end on the opposite wall leaving a taut, white line from the top of the stairs to the bottom.

“If we hold on to this while we go down, slipping shouldn’t be a problem.” He demonstrated their idea to the rest of the group by giving the conjured rope a few firm tugs, pleased that it seemed to hold his own weight. Those without gloves might be a bit hesitant to touch the sticky substance, but it would serve as a functional railing nonetheless.

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Group Task: Stairs
Move: Using String Shot to create a rope for everyone to hold on to as they go down the stairs.
Portrayal: Humorous
Target: Character
Kill Number: 9

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Blue Star

Hideo

he/him

October 18th

slateport

undecided

Gym Leader

Ace Trainer

smol height

i used to dream in the dark of palisades park.

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Hideo Kino

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POSTED ON Aug 12, 2021 23:30:35 GMT

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"Only the good die young."

This did not instill hope in Hideo.

He heard his fellow Secret Zoroark aficionado Cardamom Bliss get taken away by...something. And it sounded like someone else had suffered the same fate. "Note to self: avoid suspicious doors," Hideo mused aloud.

A quick assessment by his Beheeyem told him there wasn't any trace of Cardamom in the room, save for a stain on the carpet. Hideo didn't plan on entering that room and meeting a similar fate, so for him, it was time to check the other person's demise.

And sure enough, they found something useful; an elevator. Completely disregarding his previous caution about suspicious doors, Hideo would press one of the buttons...and quickly learn the door wasn't working.

But there was a neat crack he felt under his doot. It wasn't too big, but it did give him an idea: maybe they could find something under there? "Let's try opening this up," Hideo suggested out loud. "Elga, see if there's something you can about it."

His Beheeyem took a look at the crack, assessing it from several angles. Once he was content, he'd kneel down, his body covered in a purple light-

-And Zen Headbutt the crack. Repeatedly. Showing no signs of harm to himself as he did so.

*whack* *whack* *whack*

Group Task: Crack in the Floor
Move: Using Zen Headbutt on the Crack to make it large enough to go through
Kill Number: 8

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D-Bug

Father Bill

he/him

November 24

Sootopolis

Bisexual

Daddy

Councilman

She's with Arceus now

78 height

I took the Sin out of Sinnoh. Want to help me put it back in Hoenn?

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Bill Anderson

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 13, 2021 2:12:47 GMT

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Have fun! Survive! And be careful who you trust...

Death style: Both/Both
Kill Number: 2

Using Future sight on the elevator

"An elevator, how convenient," Bill said, joining Hideo Kino at the broken set of doors. "I don't suppose it's working," he said, just as the boy's Pokemon slammed into the doors with its charged attack. Musharna floated over Bill's shoulder, her dreams causing her to shiver. Silver light shifted in her smoke, visions of metal rending and breaking.

"Knock knock!" Bill said, as Hideo's Beheeyem headbutted the doors again. In answer, Musharna's Future Sight manifested, pelting the metal from the other side, like a creature breaching containment and clawing for escape. "Who is it?" Bill called, and abruptly the sounds stopped. He waited a few seconds before turning to Hideo. "Guess it was just the wind."

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thorn

the Harbinger

he/him

october 28th

circhester, galar

demisexual

the harbinger

underboss

devour me

if you really think that you can stomach me

6'3" height

I want corruption, I think I'm the devil in disguise.

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Cillian Quinn

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 13, 2021 20:51:27 GMT

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Naturally, a distrust for Bill Anderson sees Gavin stick close to him... at first.

"That'd be too convenient, I'd wager."

He might've thought to reactivate it with electricity if he'd brought the right Pokemon along but instead zeroes in on the crack that Bill and Hideo Kino have been assaulting. Brute force wasn't always his style, and this was a contest about brains, not brawn.

"Good luck with that."

So he and Corviknight move to the stairs, instead, where Locke Jamison has begun to construct a rope.

"Substitute and send it down."

Corviknight quarks in reply before its SUBSTITUTE takes shape above the stairwell. It swoops down without hesitation; if the bottom of the stairs were trapped, they'd soon find out.

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KILL NUMBER 12 / HELPING WITH THE STAIRS
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myriascope

rosie

she / her

October 14

Vermilion City, Kanto

unknown

demolition expert

Civilian

Come back to me

A million miles away, come back and stay

1410 height

But I still believe, someday this lie will set me free

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Eris Halla

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 14, 2021 7:53:05 GMT

Hideo Kino likes this

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[attr="class","vivalyric"]花散らせ今吹くこの嵐は
まさに春泥棒

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death style: both/both[break]
kill number: 7[break]
outfit!

Murder is brutal.
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But maybe not considering that they're just killing between friends!! That's just called a somewhat unhealthy expression of a love-hate relationship!!
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With two contestants knocked out by the killer, Eris is left to wonder - Which dastardly mongrel would have gone as far as to attack the poor, defenseless @cardamom? Is Mr Silph crafty enough to do it? How about the reigning champion Kyle? Or maybe it's Gavin who's the sussy baka here...
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"Maybe we can help!" She hums, skipping over to Hideo with all intent to take a crack... at the crack... uhm.
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Crackhead?
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The writer doesn't know what she's doing, and neither does Eris!
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"Aurelia!"
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Silence meets her, an awkwardness that forces her to look around, only to realise that her Klefki is missing.
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"Aurelia?"
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Before she can begin to sound the alarms, she hears a distal clattering of keys within the elevator shaft, her eyes widening as she takes a moment to process it. Somehow, the Klefki had found herself pulled into Musharna's Future Sight and thrown into the door?? She doesn't know how that works but it's enough to get Aurelia swiping at the doors with Foul Play!
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Well, if it achieves the objective, she guesses?
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noble

hoffman

he/him

twenty-eight

october 20th

blackthorn city, johto

heterosexual

ranger

ex-gym leader

missing no.

5'11" height

old habits die hard, i guess.

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DEREK HOFFMAN

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 14, 2021 12:21:00 GMT

"Osiris, get over here." Opting for the greased stairwell, Derek seems pleased with it as he looks from behind the others who got to it first. "Work your magic."

Standing behind them, the Decidueye began to channel negative notions of ways it could better Derek's chances of 'survival'. Though the move goes unsaid, it is nasty plot. Standing close to them and at Derek's side, they created a barrier that would more or less force the others to go down before him. If anything went wrong, well...

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DECIDUEYE used NASTY PLOT

@contest | # 5 | GOING STAIRS

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arti

Sera

Feminine

November 16th

Jubilife City

Bisexual

Former Beast

I'm a sad b*tch,

Still a bad b*tch

263 height

You don't wanna see me bratty~

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Serena Malcolm

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 14, 2021 16:15:47 GMT

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"What's the saying again-- only the good die young?"[break][break]

"Damn," Serena muttered as she walked through the musty area they were directed to. She thought for sure she'd be one of the first people to go. The way her luck was set up after tended to be horrendous like that. Following where everyone else seemed to be gathering she saw there was a choice they needed to make. [break][break]

Elevator or stairs. [break][break]

Normally in a crisis, going the elevator route wasn't the safest option. So she decided to go with her gut here and assist the people with the stair problem. There was something layered on the stairs and they had no idea what it was. Was it just a slippery surface? Was it poisonous? Who knows? [break][break]

Watching as Gavin's Corviknight uses SUBSITUTE before checking down the stairs. Serena nodded down at Junior, who she'd decided to dress up in a harmless disguise for this little adventure. She didn't want anyone asking questions about his nature so she made him look a touch more 'normal' with this cute costume. [break][break]

Junior, on the other hand, hated it. But he put up with it for the promise of a good time. Using MIMIC Junior copied SUBSTITUTE and sent his copy on the stairs itself. That way they could figure out if this floor was 'lava' or not. Would they be fine with touching it? Or should they avoid it completely? [break][break]

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+ @/contest[break]
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+ tl;dr: Kill Number 3 | Both | Both | Helping with Stairs

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Lime

Vio

Female

September 7

MAUVILLE CITY, HOENN

Spectra Trainee

Associate

Elaine

Dating

244 height

Alive

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Violet Fairbanks

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 14, 2021 17:16:26 GMT

“Of course, we only have to figure out which of us has a tentacle monster at hand to figure out who the killer is, pretty simple,” she joked, though she doubted anyone cared. Half the people were shocked by what had happened, while the other half were much more task-oriented, already trying to work on the issue. She figured that one’s apathy to these ‘deaths’ was directly proportional to how much one accepted the decidedly non-lethal premise of the game.

And since she fully bought into what she’d been told, she did not really give much of a toss about what happened. It was just a non-standard game over, as far as she was concerned. Way less of a stake than the last mission she’d been in with some of these people.

Anyway, best to make herself useless all the same. Since Rattata was not really suited to dealing with the staircase issue, she had it help with breaking open the lift. “Go and show them how good you are at chewing through things,” she told the little one after a headpat. It immediately darted off towards the doors, seeking to crunch its way through them.

- still kill number 4
- Rattata helps with the elevator

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Dr. Doug

He/Him

20 (40)

March 3

Viridian City, Kanto

It just works

Lt. Colonel, Medical Corps

AQUA Initiative

Dreaming

of our future

5' 11" (181 cm) / 180 lbs (82 kg) height

You're being healed. Please do not resist.

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John Sullivan

MASTERMIND [pc]

POSTED ON Aug 14, 2021 18:04:08 GMT

Hideo Kino likes this

Mastermind

Side-eyes.

"Where's Cardamom?" Doug asked as they all came together, noticing Cardamom Bliss had disappeared shortly before 2 deaths were announced.

"Already?!" He screamed, wrapping his arms around Hideo Kino and Eris Halla firmly, squinting at the many people around them wearily. Why were crazy ax killers always out for the kids? First Mauville Woods and now this.

As Hideo and Eris got to work on the elevator, Doug simply eyed it wearily, before blinking at local holy man Bill Anderson and his excellent horror antagonist impression.

"Uh..." He uttered, before turning towards Hideo and Eris. "Maybe we should try the stairs instead."

Elevators were dangerous as it were... not that dark, greasy steps leading several floors down were any better.

Couldn't possibly be too bad, though!

"Krys." Doug intoned, prompting his Vespiqueen to approach the stairs, before releasing a hive of several bee drones. Should Doug or anyone else trip- they would hopefully be caught before faceplanting several steps down below.

TL;DR
-Doug is going for the stairs!
-Krys the Vespiqueen used Defend Order (smart)!
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KILL NUMBER: 1
PORTRAYAL: BOTH
TARGET: BOTH